Kleinschnittger project

[Peelpower]

...and here is up for sale another Kleinschnittger !

http://cgi.ebay.de/Kleinschnittger-F-125-Restaurieren-/330487402153?pt=Automobile&hash=item4cf2958ea9

[P50]

Ahh that old chestnut.

Take it completely to total pieces and lose the will to live with it all and the prospect of years in the garage and scouring jumbles and fleabay for parts. Then when you find one of the rare parts it's 400 euros!...

Get rid and let some other lucky dude have all the fun.. 

[Oceanix]

Well, sounds like you are right, missing parts:
seats, dashboard, steering wheel, windows, frame, breakparts,
anchors etc, parts of steering assembly, folding roof etc...

Someone will buy it nevertheless for sure...

[P50]

I'd prefer to eat my own eyes than rebuild that pile of bits.

[Bob Purton]

So you have said before Perry. You forget that some get great joy and satisfaction from bringing things like this back from the dead. We are all different. If you knew what I was working on in a dark corner of the garage you would conclude that I am quite mad, which I am of course!

[richard]

p50 you disappoint me   its an ideal restoration project of an interesting car. it fires the soul doesn't it ? surely isn't this what its all about . restoration should not be pick a pretty car , spend an hour thumbing the extensive spares list and writing a large cheque before sending it away to be painted before you fit the carpets . bringing them back from the dead is a wonderful thing . and just imagine the joy of finishing a car like that BMW 600 we all laughed at . i dont want the challenge but someone will do it just like this car  .

[richard]

sorry but messaged at almost exactly the same time saying very similar things . as bob says arent we all different 

[P50]

p50 you disappoint me   its an ideal restoration project of an interesting car. it fires the soul doesn't it ? surely isn't this what its all about . restoration should not be pick a pretty car , spend an hour thumbing the extensive spares list and writing a large cheque before sending it away to be painted before you fit the carpets . bringing them back from the dead is a wonderful thing . and just imagine the joy of finishing a car like that BMW 600 we all laughed at . i dont want the challenge but someone will do it just like this car  .

I think of late people are trying it on with just a pile of bits....     I agree rebuilding can be rewarding but in this case I think the punter will have a lot more than just his work cut out...

[Stuart Cyphus]

 bringing them back from the dead is a wonderful thing .

 I wonder if it can be done for an AC Acedes....

[Bob Purton]

Of course it could if you wanted to throw good money after bad and end up with something only you and about two other people on the planet would want!

For the benefit of the others Stuart is alluding to the fact that some time ago I helped scrap a completely rotted out dead AC. Fear not though, its heart is being transplanted into something I'm working on, throw the switch Igor!!

[Big Al]

  If I thought it would succeed I would have a home for retired crap where stuff that is beyond economic repear could be dumped for free. You would find that after 20 years some of this junk would get taken to be restored. Not least if you had 5 dead ones meaning several could be made from the remains. Is this not what happened to the Gordons left. Is an Acedes less of a car than a Gordon? Up until now probably yes but who can say what the future holds. There are only a limited number of people capable of restoring really bad cars so there would need to be a selective element to prevent dreamers taking stuff only to mess up what someone else could improve. There a lot who can talk a good restoration but when it comes to it do not get thier hand dirty on the real thing.
  There are two reasons why the idea will not work though. Firstly a cheap (free) property is required to house the stuff. I have that bit covered now. Secondly people seem to feel they would rather scrap stuff than give it away since later someone else might make a profit out of it. I have never understood this viewpoint but it is strongest among the cheapest cars which tells you something about something I am not intelligent enough to know. That haunted look at autojumble when I try to buy a spare at a sensible price. You can see the thought process. He was (therefore is) a dealer, knows his stuff, the item must be worth more/be rare/be special or why would he want it. It is that same instinct - the donated car might be worth £5 in 10 years, I have been twisted of profit, I will commit hari kari. Better to not let anyone else have it. I can direct you to numerous addresses where these people live in morbid fear of selling some moulding wreck in case they loose out while what was a usable project disintergrates into nothing of value to anyone.
I never scrap stuff unless every sensible avenue to use any of it has been followed. Nearly always someone can use even the most unlikely bits of crap. It is what made me a successful autojumbler in the day as I got the best out of the available resources.

[Bob Purton]

I've noticed that attitude predominantly in farmers for some unknown reason. Show some interest in a hulk in there field and all of a sudden there eyes light up, ohh that must be worth a fortune, I think I will hang on to that, twenty years later its still there or shall I say half of it , the other half rotted away during the twenty years. In the end nobody wins. Rest assured the said AC has been recycled into other microcars and no, I didnt make a penny profit iout of any of it., only the amalgamation of rotted iron, ali and glassfiber was discarded. The scrap man was due to taking the car that very day, it was only by fate that I was in that area that day delivering a barometer that I picked it up and was able to rescued some of the parts. Strangely enough Herr Cyphus was offered this car for nothing and he didn't want it, I have offered him the chassis plate and he didn't want that either. Its a fact of life that every car ever made will not survive and even more so those that have a minuscule following.   

[Stuart Cyphus]

 I have offered him the chassis plate

 Did you not get my email about that? Damn yahoo playing up again I bet!   

[Bob Purton]

Hi Stuart. I sent a reply thanking you for the helpful info on Thumpers reg number and the offer of the chassis plate and that was the last I heard. Try resending your mail to my bobbybubble@ntlworld address.  Bob

[Jim Janecek]

speaking of Kleinschnittgers AND chassis plates....
There is a guy in the US who has a chassis plate for a Kleinschnittger that his father apparently owned back in the day.
He keeps contacting people trying to find the car thinking that by waving that plate he can take possession of the vehicle.

Story goes that his father put the car away in a barn...but took the chassis plate off (?)
Car is stolen. (?)
Now he spends his days searching for the "stolen" car.
I suspect father neglected to tell his son that he was behind on a loan of some sort and the car was re-possessed.
The son will have none of that.  He has contacted me wanting a list of all Kleinschnittgers in the USA and their owners and their contact information!