1949 Glass's Guide please anyone

[richard]

i have no idea when the Glass's Guide started  but is there one for 1949 ? i have been trying to rectify an error on the V5C of my Bond A .It is officially registered as 2004 !! i wrote to DVLA with a covering letter from the club that this car was built earlier .Surprise surprise DVLA want :

extract from factory records - they don't exist for the first two years  or

extract from appropriate Glass's Guide Check Book
 
any ideas anyone ? Thanks

wikipedia says from 1933 and it turns out that the founder was yet another interesting guy -


William Glass was born in Scotland in 1881 and was an engineer by trade. As well as publishing the first Guide to Used Vehicle Values, Glass had an innovative and enquiring mind and made a number of inventions including the portable hydraulic jack, the electric switch-off kettle, the self-filling fountain pen and the through-the-propeller machine gun firing mechanism. ( conflicting info on wiki )

The founder of Glass’s Guide also manufactured cars under the Firefly marque for a short period of time in Croydon. Glass’s other innovations included the first motor auction and the first uniformed attendants at petrol filling stations.

[Grant Kearney]

Hi Richard,
I believe that the first Glass Guide was published in 1929.  You might have to look at both the car guide and motorcycle one for production details of your Bond.  3 wheeled microcars were listed in the motorcycle guides and 4 wheelers were in the car guide even those that came from the same manufacturers.  Since your Bond is such an early example I would not like today which guide it would be in.
Grant

[richard]

thanks for that Grant - now who has one ? Mike ?

[marcus]

I cvannot answer your questions, but interesting read about Glass, cheers!

Anton Fokker is credited with inventing the Interruptor Gear so bullets could be fired through the arc of a propeller, but I believe Euler in 1910 and Roland Garros had already invented previous less good devices like deflector plates mounted on props, but they could be very dangerous...sometimes the bullet ricocheted straight back into the pilot's face, and this did not do the bullet any favours at all.
Various other mechanisms were used, but I think the Wiki article mention of "through the propeller" might be referring to one type in which the bullets were fired through a hollow prop shaft, but I don't know any more about that type.

[Stuart Cyphus]

 i have been trying to rectify an error on the V5C of my Bond A .Iit is officially registered as 2004 !!

 Are you sure it IS actually an error? 2004 sounds more like when it was first placed on the DVLA computer.  Is it an age-related plate or it's original number? Either way it should already have "Declared date of manufacture, 1949" elsewhere on the document or else it would be on a 2004 reg number.

[richard]

afraid your info is wrong stuart , that maybe what's supposed to happen but ....... i have errors on 3 of my 4 cars and they all retain their original numbers . the previous owner must have done the paperwork with DVLA and nowhere does it have another date , nor does my 2007, i think, 1963 Bond G . they were just entered incorrectly when updating but putting it right is a bugger !
My other car the 1954 Bruetsch is registered as 1960 but that is probably when it was first registered for road use . all of these will be difficult if not impossible to correct , certainly a car such as the ONLY 1954 Bruetsch will not appear in Glass's Guide and there are of course no factory records .
The Gordon is the only car with correct paperwork in this respect but this is probably due to Tony Marshalls dilligence when he owned it .

[Chris Thomas]

Dear Richard

Have you tried the national library that is kept at Beaulieu. They may well have a copy or perhaps Mike Worthington Williams may know somebody who has one.

Chris Thomas

[Grant Kearney]

Beaulieu does have a copy of all Glass Guides and Index of Registrations.  They do come up for sale regularly on E-Bay however.  With regards to you vehicle V5c registration documents, only vehicles which moved on to the DVLA database prior to the 1983 deadline will have their original and correct date of first registration stated or those which have been added more recently which have had the original buff or green log book (which states the orginal date of registration) as evidence to entitlement to a given registration mark.
Your Gordon would have had a V5 document prior to 1983 (there is a long story about this and all other vehicles owned by Tony Marshall which could be written into an article for Rumcar News I suspect) so all its details will be as correct as they were when registered when new.
You will need to do something about both Bonds however as neither will be Taxed exempt nor MOT exempt in the case of your MkA.  If the actual date of original registration is not known then the best you can hope for is a 'year of manufacture' to be added on the document but as you have found out DVLA want evidence to back this up.  Stan will be able to sort out the MkG however.

Grant

[Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker)]

Beaulieu is definately your best bet - also probably a lot cheaper than Ebay assuming an appropriate guide does ever come along. Finding the relevant Glasses's Guide pages should come under their short enquiry fee if you can't get down to Beaulieu yourself.

http://www.nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/Motoring_research_service

[Grant Kearney]

Car guide for the correct period :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glasss-Car-Check-Book-1933-1957-Classic-Car-Data-Not-a-Price-Guide-Vintage-/111181010443?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item19e2e7960b

[richard]

The irony being I do not have a Glas's but I do have an official copy of the Lancashire County ledger ! How official can you get ?

[Bill K.]

Hello. I was browsing the internet for Bond and came up with this site. I joined since I have many editions of Glass's Car Check Book, Glass's Guide to Used Car Values, and Glass's Index of Registration Numbers. Do you still require Bond data? I'd be happy to scan it in for you. I happened to grab my 1956 edition of Glass's Car Check Book off the shelf, and it lists Bond from August 1948 through November 1955, with serial numbers.

[richard]

Hi friend I absolutely do need it still , that would be great Richardwarren650@btinternet.com. Very. Kind of you

[Big Al]

Not sure about the MkA but later Bonds had a letter for the year in the chassis number, did they not?

If there is only one Pfail, and I believe it is pictured at some show or other prior to 1960, it rather busts that factoid, if DVLA do not want to play.

Its all very well they being intransigent but unfortunately they have a duty of care to hold correct information. Turning it round onto owners is not fulfilling that. Its bullying to duck providing a service that would cost money. Otherwise be honest and admit it is not the holder of correct information. Then we can treat it as the fag butt it is and get on with creating a better system. You cannot have it both ways.
Win the lottery and taking these fascists to court for service would be rather an amusing hobby.

[Bill K.]

Glass's Car Check Book, 1956 edition.
Stone & Cox, Motor Specifications and Prices, 1955 edition.