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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2011, 02:15:10 AM »
Hahaha.

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2011, 06:20:18 PM »
That silver job looks a really nice car. Will be interesting to see if it sells.

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2011, 08:31:17 AM »
The slightly none original Peacehaven early Schmitt is a more interesting car. Pity it is not quite right but when it was restored it was probably considered very fine. If this is the Dave Easter car it is something like Chassis 50251, earliest Brit car. I had 50259 which was next. I think it will be ranked fifth oldest now.
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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2011, 07:29:53 PM »
Well the silver KR200 on ebay, a finer example as you could ever ever wish see ground to a halt at £11,420 which kind of reinforces what Al and I said about the KR ceiling at the moment. The chancers who want over the odds are just not getting there way. Asking is one thing, getting is another! Personally I'm all for lower values as it puts the cars back into the hands of enthusiasts rather than investor/collectors.

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2011, 08:07:56 PM »
So Bob.
Is your old yellow one better or worst than the silver one and will they all end up in America?

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2011, 09:23:36 PM »
Better of coarse but then again I'm bias! :D I prefer the earlier moustache faced ones with the more elegant fittings I have noticed they do fetch a little more. My opinion is this is only a blip due to the financial crisis and that they will soar again in the near future. We have to remember that it was only about three years ago that they were sub 10k. Just my opinion. I dare say someone will put me right. ::)
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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2011, 08:18:26 AM »
  Difficult to see where values are going. We have the fact there is nothing worth investing in much that does not involve idiots with clipboards or tax/fees taking the cream. Classic cars are still relatively free of both and the area was offering a good return. However the slump in ready cash is beginning to hurt that, particularly for those who did not buy wisely. What with Europe determined to follow the rainbow on the Euro and drive us all bankrupt in the process it is very hard to see the economy improving soon. I believe we have a further crash to negotiate. At the moment I think you will see the Italian classic market fall out, for instance. We have the signs after it has been performing strongly. Their economic lie is catching up with them now just as Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Spain before them. The Germans and French cannot support all these failing states and have to except a change in policy is inevitable, I think their populations want this, and the great Euro socialist experiment has failed, as it always was. That means turmoil. This places the good classic cars firmly in the hands of those with disposable income. For them classic cars are great investments transferable over borders without to much interference unlike moving cash now. Sadly that is not likely to help the ordinary bloke with a job who is being hit from all sides and expected to pay for the mess these idiots have created. I therefore feel that specifically for Schmitts the market will stabilise and the cars continue to pass from drivers to collectors. The majority of them will not attend rallies leaving the older 'low born' enthusiasts with a limited social and rally scene struggling to keep activity going as they loose the key creative folk who are responsible for making most of the parts, over time. Hard to replace such experience as the younger/newer generation is short on practical and engineering skills. The parts themselves are set to become very expensive. So I do not see Schmitts being affordable as they used to be previously. The price will climb with well documented original and well restored cars leading the way much in the way Morgans have performed. I think the difference will be in usage.
  In a nutshell, if you want a schmitt buy one and get the parts you will need to run it now unless you are likely to become wealthier. This unless tariff barriers are set to net tax from moving classic cars around.
  I am less concerned with the values of other microcars but it would seem that in many cases it is the collectors who are driving the prices as there are not the cars to go round. I can only assume, due to the above argument, that this will continue but with quality being the key. A pile of junk will remain that until a skilled person can make it collectable. I would generalise that Berkeley, Isetta, Trienkel etc will behave as BSA do to Morgan. That is they are seen as the cheaper option or stepping stone to the brand leader. This is not meant as a put down, I like Trienkels and think they could have been the best car of the bunch if things had fallen slightly differently. This view is thus looking a bit jaundiced in terms of sociable rally meetings and so on.
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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2011, 09:30:33 AM »
There is another register called RCMcars.  It is mainly for Messerschmitts. 
It is unusual that the most common microcar is the most desirable but there are other good reasons for this.
I still prefer the unusual cars, many of which are not prohibitively expensive.  Unfortunately few are that good for transport.
I don't include my Sans Permis cars in the equation because they are not practical in the UK.
The most desirable cars seem to be the ones that were most practical and therefore successful. 
They can still be driven to and from an event and were, in there day, used for regular transport.
In 1981 I was using a 1963 Isetta for my everyday commute and general running around.  A 160 mile round trip to my parents was not unknown.
It is inevitable that the good cars will find there way into collections, never to be driven.  Just an investment or someones interest in design rather than driving?
The good side is that as the value rises it becomes economical to restore cars which would have rotted in a lock-up somewhere.




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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2011, 10:14:32 AM »
Hi

I'm new to the forum and am interested in getting a micro car I have in the past owned, restored and ran an Isetta 300 but now would like to get back into the micro car scene, but I would really like a smaller car, either a Bambi or Replicar something most people turn there noses up at because they are ugly and 70's-80's but What I could do with is some advise on these and other similar cars. what to buy, how much and were?

thanks in anticipation


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Hi, and welcome to the forum!

People would probably think I am going to say "Buy a Nobel!", but I'm not, I've only driven it twice...
I cant really tell you whats good and not good, since I am also very new to the cars, (I am 14 years old, and only own 1 car), so I will tell you what cars my dad likes. Messerschmitt kr200's are great, and very reliable, and you can easily get parts for them (but can be costy!). Dont bother thinking about kr175's, my dad says there **** to drive!

If you want it to be a bit smaller, how about another Isetta?
Otherwoise, Goggomobils are great fun!

I guess #I havent really been clear, but at least I gave my opinion!

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2011, 07:57:26 PM »
There is another register called RCMcars.
I am intrigued when I googled RCMCars it seemed to be a Japanese car sales site or have I got the wrong one?  Who runs the RCMcars register?  Jean
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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2011, 08:14:49 PM »
Sorry Jean.  Just my little joke for other Messerschmitt owners - RCMCars is the fictitious name for the Register of Common Microcars.


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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 09:52:51 PM »
i think i have the answer to the question  ;) what more could you want ?
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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2011, 12:35:49 PM »
Hi

Either a Bambi or Replicar something most people turn there noses up at because they are ugly and 70's-80's but What I could do with is some advise on these and other similar cars. what to buy, how much and were?

thanks in anticipation


Craig

Any other small 70's-80's cars you can think of?

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Re: What would you sugest?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2011, 01:12:19 PM »

Any other small 70's-80's cars you can think of?



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