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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 09:15:59 pm »
i think interesting that the difference between laden and unladen weight in the Bruetsch Zweg is 205kg. The Zwerg is a very small fibreglass zweisitzer , two seater, and the difference seems a lot . Do you remember 11 well fed men a while back ? i thought that back in the mid 1950's people tened to be both shorter and generally lighter than today . when laden Bruetsch was allowing for two people weighing 16s 7 lb .each ! thats quite heavy isn't ?

QUESTION : does unladen mean without fuels , is this a normal weight to expect a car to carry , am i right about the meaning of the german text ? , who decides the difference between the two weights ?  

oops 16st each !
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 10:23:16 pm »
jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !

am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?

oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 07:38:47 am »
jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !

am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?

oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then

Hmmm... A Nobel actually has LOADS of space in the front, and hardly anything in the back.
Its got as much space in the back as a goggo coupe. If you havent been in the back, let's just say Im about adult height, and I dont even fit laying on the seat.
One of my brothers friends, who is very big (about 2 meters I think) went in the front, and said it was like a limousine!
I would say it fits 2 adults comfortably and maybe 2 kids up to about 6 y old.
3 people easily fit in the front, problem is driver cant really reach gear lever.

Ditch your Brutsch's... Buy a Nobel ;)
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2011, 08:10:47 am »
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Quite so and it is that which should be illegal as it is nigh on impossible to change without cutting the bit of metal out. The use of a plate really just allows for the edges of legality to be picked at. But as previously mentioned such systems are not managed for the Public's protection against crime but as methods to manage revenue collection principally. Even Al Capone was banged up for tax evasion not any of the other things he did. So the system as it exists encourages abuse and there you have it.
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 08:13:47 am »
jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !

am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?

oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then

Thought a Nob was meant for the family so two adults and two kids. Works out about right.
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 08:19:08 am »


Hmmm... A Nobel actually has LOADS of space in the front, and hardly anything in the back.
Its got as much space in the back as a goggo coupe.

That is one reason the Goggo Saloon is the better car to the Coupe. More space as it is not a triumph of styling over content. It also handles better as the centre of gravity is further forward. However the Coupe is pretty which scores high on a classic car list of desirability.
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 04:09:49 pm »
jonathan as for speed i have the heinkel engined fuldamobil at 85 kph and my Bruetsch at 110 kph ! what speed an F & S engined nobel ( in kph ) - you may have to ditch the Nobel  ;)
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Re: chassis plate
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2011, 06:33:54 pm »
jonathan as for speed i have the heinkel engined fuldamobil at 85 kph and my Bruetsch at 110 kph ! what speed an F & S engined nobel ( in kph ) - you may have to ditch the Nobel  ;)

I felt the Heinkel engine was better than the Sachs in the Nob and that was a 175 version!
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