Frisky advert - how can you focus ?

[Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker)]

I think it's more an understandable appreciation of the asthetics of a vintage sidecar and it's potential for conversion into a microcar becoming conflated by the realities of driving a motorcycle sidecar outfit and it's distinction from other types of three-wheeler. Many outfits would lend themselves to alternative driving positions, but start adding wheels etc and you might as well dispose of the original chassis entirely and just start with the body from scratch. Once you start chopping up an original motorcycle sidecar outfit to produce something else, you get into the ethics of trashing what has become an even rarer vehicle than most 50s microcars. Scott Sociable aside, sidecar outfits begin life by being an engineering and design compromise, that's why vehicles like Owen Greenwood's mini based design caused such a stink in the 1960s.

http://mosquito-triad.com/The_origin.html

[steven mandell]

I wasn't suggesting chopping up an historic sidecar.
Just appreciating their purity of their design, and hoping that someone could figure out a way to hatch similarly creative, distinct and interestingly designed micro cars.

[john Meadows]

Looks identical to the photograph used for the 1959 Family three leaflet

They are different photos. The Mk 1 F3 1959 leaflet is taken at a different angle and shows a bench seat . were as the F3 Mk2 shows two individual seats.  The 4 seater bit only worked if you removed your children s legs to get them in the back, not popular so only very few early Mk2's had seats fitted.

Sorry to be late at the party folks!

Regards John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk

PS the 1959 leaflet also showed the indicators behind the doors giving away the fact that it is in fact an air brushed Frisky sport photo confirmed by the FriskySport badge on the front, whoops!

[Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker)]

Hi John - I'm not sure which are the different photos you're talking about, my post was referring to the photo stuck up in the shop window display (in Richard's first post) which looks the same as the photo used in the leaflet which says at the bottom Frisky Cars (1959) Ltd.  I can't tell if the car in Richard's photo has seats, never mind if they're individual or bench!

[richard]

With you there Malcolm , I thought John must have some eyesight ! When we first super analysed this photo no-one noticed the ad for Frisky at all , it's not easy to spot at all

[AndrewG]

Ah, yes, removable legs on children - that's another thing that's pretty much disappeared in the modern world.....

[Barry]

Just need a couple of lengths of good string to the handlebars and off you go. 

[Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker)]

Add the string and you get the Moby in the Hammond Collection.

http://www.allcarindex.com/main-index/car-make-details/United-Kingdom-Moby/

[steven mandell]

Just need a couple of lengths of good string to the handlebars and off you go. 

For that matter, you could just elongate one handlebar, and get the shifter and brake on the side nearest the passenger, and operate all by hand.
Even easier if you have an automatic tranny.

[steven mandell]

The Moby looks to be a better candidate for making my point.
From a creator's perspective, it would not seem inordinately difficult to have centralized the motor bike's frame and rear wheel and welded in a proper ATV front end replete with suspension steering and brakes, and relocated cable controls to a more conventional pedal assembly.
Wouldn't that make an interesting micro?

[Big Al]

A trike with one wheel at the front, double seat and double geared steering. Thus as you steer left the seating shifts over to balance the vehicle by biasing the weight to that side. Vice versa on opposite lock. Saves the passenger leaping about all over the place. Double up on lights and one looks ahead, the other round the corner. No door as such, you get out the rear of the exposed side on lock. Add simplicity of power and design, you have a Microcar no one ever made.

Mosquito Triad  -  The road going nutter machine to come out of that general drift of thought. Stimson Scorcher.

By request your comments are invited elsewhere.

[richard]

if we had a moderator he would turf you all off !!  cant you do you your own posts ? sure this is why we've lost all the activity - your all posting RUBBISH !

[Chris Thomas]

Dear Richard

As a moderator I would not turf you all off. However the subject has drifted rather too far sideways after Steve Mandell's suggestion, and has gone a bit silly. But it has not been abusive, racist, sexist, or other ist that would require direct action by the moderator.

It would be nice for the originator of the subject if everybody could bring their discussions back to the original subject, If not I am happy to cut and paste the sidecar discussions into a new topic, so the silly discussions can continue in parallel with the serious discussion about identifying the out of focus information on an old photograph.

Chris Thomas

[Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker)]

Only an administrator can divide a topic. In my opinion the two themes here ( Friskies and side/microcar) are both worthy of seperate threads. 

[Big Al]

if we had a moderator he would turf you all off !!  cant you do you your own posts ? sure this is why we've lost all the activity - your all posting RUBBISH !

Indeed we have disappeared over the horizon. Trouble is the threads are conversational, so jumping to a new thread then finds a passing idea out of context, meaning there break to a new thread is not there, but it is overall.

Please find a new thread on deviant sidecars up.